A monk must use a full attack action (see page 143) to strike with flurry of blows.
Full Attack Actions (PHB 143)
If you get more than one attack per round because your base attack bonus is high enough, because you fight with two weapons or a double weapon (see Two-Weapon Fighting under Special Attacks, page 160), or for some special reason (such as a feat or a magic item), you must use a full-round action to get your additional attacks.
Two Weapon Fighting (PHB 160)
If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon.
Human Monk 3 Juben with Feat: Two Weapon Fighting - Using Light Weapons
Lets say Juben makes a full attack action.
Flurry of Blows and Two Weapon Fighting -2,-2,-7
Human Monk 20 Juben with Greater Two Weapon Fighting - Using Light Weapons
Lets say Juben makes a full attack action.
Flurry of Blows and Two Weapon Fighting +13,+13,+13,+8,+7 +13TWF,+7ITWF,+2GTWF
Since he is fighting with 2 weapons is the -2 applied through the entire Flurry?
A monk must use a full attack action (see page 143) to strike with flurry of blows.
Full Attack Actions (PHB 143)
If you get more than one attack per round because your base attack bonus is high enough, because you fight with two weapons or a double weapon (see Two-Weapon Fighting under Special Attacks, page 160), or for some special reason (such as a feat or a magic item), you must use a full-round action to get your additional attacks.
Two Weapon Fighting (PHB 160)
If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon.
Human Monk 3 Juben with Feat: Two Weapon Fighting - Using Light Weapons
Lets say Juben makes a full attack action.
Flurry of Blows and Two Weapon Fighting -2,-2,-7
Human Monk 20 Juben with Greater Two Weapon Fighting - Using Light Weapons
Lets say Juben makes a full attack action.
Flurry of Blows and Two Weapon Fighting +13,+13,+13,+8,+7 +13TWF,+7ITWF,+2GTWF
Since he is fighting with 2 weapons is the -2 applied through the entire Flurry?
yes it is
but i think you will note something surprising. you do more damage bare handed than you will with a weapon
Yeah I plan on using my fists, they are considered light weapons, and even if I use a fist as my “off hand” weapon I still apply my full strength bonus.
One thing Im still unsure on is exchanging attacks during a flurry of blows. Making trip attacks, and disarm attacks okay during a flurry?
First attack Stun
Second Attack Trip
Free Attack Punch
or
First attack Stun
Second Attack Disarm
Since the Stun drops his weapon to the floor, the disarm is free. Since you’re unarmed, you become armed. Classic.
Monk’s cannot TWF with their fists, so if you take TWF, monk weapons are necessary. Yes, the penalty will stack through all attacks from the TWF and the flurry of blows, but you can indeed get the large number of attacks you are referring to.
That is, 5 from flurry of blows, and one additional from TWF. Imp. TWF will add one more, etc.
Oh, and unarmed base damage is better than an unmodified weapon, but the weapon can be made magical far cheaper than getting the magical amulet to enhance your fists.
Then Link comes and pierces my heart with his logic!
I was kinds thinking of some sort of Monk,Rogue,Master Thrower. Throwing a barrage of shuriken every round would be super awesome, although creating lots of magical ammo is pretty expensive.
Also I think that the Master Thrower needs to limit the amount of skill tricks that can be performed each round.
Weak Spot allows touch attacks rather than normal attacks.
Palm throw allows 2 weapons per attack roll
Two With One Blow allows each shuriken to hit 2 enemies (possibly).
So say I get 8 attacks each round against 2 enemies that are adjacent. Thats 16 possible hits to each of them with 8 attack rolls. With sneak attack in there things could get really messy.
Can a monk fight with two weapons? Can she combine
a two-weapon attack with a flurry of blows? What are her
penalties on attack rolls?
A monk can fight with two weapons just like any other
character, but she must accept the normal penalties on her
attack rolls to do so. She can use an unarmed strike as an offhand
weapon. She can even combine two-weapon fighting with
a flurry of blows to gain an extra attack with her off hand (but
remember that she can use only unarmed strikes or special
monk weapons as part of the flurry). The penalties for twoweapon
fighting stack with the penalties for flurry of blows.
For example, at 6th level, the monk Ember can normally
make one attack per round at a +4 bonus. When using flurry of
blows, she can make two attacks (using unarmed strikes or any
special monk weapons she holds), each at a +3 bonus. If she
wants to make an extra attack with her off hand, she has to
accept a –4 penalty on her primary hand attacks and a –8
penalty on her off-hand attacks (assuming she wields a light
weapon in her off hand).
If Ember has Two-Weapon Fighting, she has to accept only
a –2 penalty on all attacks to make an extra attack with her off
hand. Thus, when wielding a light weapon in her off hand
during a flurry of blows, she can make a total of three attacks,
each at a total bonus of +1. At least one of these attacks has to
be with her off-hand weapon.
A 20th-level monk with Greater Two-Weapon Fighting can
make eight attacks per round during a flurry of blows.
Assuming she wields a light weapon in her off hand, her three
off-hand weapon attacks are at +13/+8/+3, and she has five
attacks (at +13/+13/+13/+8/+3) with unarmed strikes or any
weapons she carries in her primary hand. If the same monk also
has Rapid Shot and throws at least one shuriken as part of her
flurry of blows (since Rapid Shot can be used only with ranged
attacks), she can throw one additional shuriken with her
primary hand, but all of her attacks (even melee attacks) suffer
a –2 penalty. Thus, her full attack array looks like this:
D&D FAQ v.3.5 20 Update Version: 10/19/07
+11/+11/+11/+11/+6/+1 primary hand (two must be with
shuriken) and +11/+6/+1 off hand.
Talae beat me to it you can indeed two-weapon fight with your fists.
Now remember eventually the penalty from furry goes away.
Though you still get only half-strength on your off hand unarmed attacks.
I pity the fool with a low AC who faces that monk.
Actually in the monk description it says something to the effect of “there is no such thing as off hand weapon damage when a monk in unarmed” As long as the monk is unarmed s/he will do their full strength damage.
Thanks Talae and Vukodlak, wasnt entirely sure that a monk could use his fists for 2 weapon fighting.
Also does anyone know if I could try 5 trip attempts for my flurry of blows as a 20th level monk?
{EDIT} looked at the FAQ and I guess I can. I should refer to that faq more often
[ Edited: 05 December 2007 09:38 PM by absolution]
{EDIT} looked at the FAQ and I guess I can. I should refer to that faq more often
As you found out yourself - yes, you can. Just keep in mind that if you want to use a weapon, it will need to be one with which you can make trip attacks.
Problem is… for each time you fail to trip your opponent, he gets to try and trip you back - and your +4 bonus from improved trip does not count for the defensive opposed roll.
If you use a cheap kama, you can simply drop it to prevent being counter-tripped. On the other hand, you’ll have to use the kama for the follow-up attack in case the trip succeeds. So… you’ll have to think about it…
Being larger than normal helps immensely. If you can get access to boots of flying, that would help as well because magical flying always negates prone penalties - ie, you cannot be tripped (keep that in mind for your opponents as well). Creatures flying via wings can be tripped though.
Maybe get Mage Slayer to keep opposing casters on the ground…
FAQ is NOT errata, and is overwritten whenever it comes into conflict with the rules, especially with the core rulebooks. It explicitly states in the monk description that a monk CANNOT TWF with his unarmed strike.
If you were referring to errata, which is basically a retroactive change in the text, then yes he could.
FAQ is NOT errata, and is overwritten whenever it comes into conflict with the rules, especially with the core rulebooks. It explicitly states in the monk description that a monk CANNOT TWF with his unarmed strike.
If you were referring to errata, which is basically a retroactive change in the text, then yes he could.
No it doesn’t Link. Quote me the rules where it says that all I see this.
“There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply her full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all her unarmed strikes.”
This does not say monks can’t two-weapon fight it is only in reference to them
The comment that Vukodlak just quoted refers only to a Monk attacking normally, i.e. either hand can be used to make their primary attacks during a full-attack, none of which will count as an off-hand attack. A Monk using TWF can use either hand for their primary attacks, none of which will be counted as an off-hand attack, and then they can use either hand to make their off-hand attacks as per fighting with two weapons, which would indeed be counted as off-hand attacks and apply only half their Str bonus. This ruling agrees with both the PHB and the FAQ.
Yeah, Link is in denial because he dislikes monks. But fact of the matter is that they are quite versatile. They can TWF and Flurry with their bare hands.
