4th & Dragon : Dungeons and Dragons...and stuff

The right image definitely brings the dragon out more. I think that it is due to the color choice seeming almost like a letter transparency. I actually don’t mind that. Of those two, I like the right.

Another version, the 4E is noticeably smaller, but seems to stand out more.

The dragon almost seems washed out, maybe my eyes are blurring! Too much time at the computer? LOL

Huh.  He does look washed out.  So far I’m still liking the last one on the right on the previous page.

the one on the right looks good(on previous page)

The wings seem to have gone back to their yellowish color.  Can you go back to the redder version of the wings?  That may be the source of the “washed out” effect people are noting.

For viewing angle changes, I was thinking of rotating the pitch forward some what (i.e. rotate the top of the image into the screen a bit).

Meaning the dragon itself is rotated towards the viewer (its top/left wing comes down and appears to come “out") or towards it’s own front (the top/left wing goes more toward the right, giving it a kind of slant)?

No.  Relative to the dragon’s main axis, the rotation I’m envisioning would be a slight roll left.

I tried playing with the angles and they didn’t turn out right.  I did fix the wing colors.  And, just for the hell of it, I made a character sheet and some cards for the Slasher Flick RPG.

I think that form for the logo might work.

Cool.  What’s next?  Doing the backs for each class/item/etc?  Also, should I do a horizontal back for the Character/monster cards or just leave them with the same back?

Link to the full version of the logo is below.  It’s 5MB, and 5000x5000
https://dl-web.getdropbox.com/get/Photos/logo6.png?w=eddd46e4

Cameron - 02 July 2008 02:43 AM

No cheat card.  I forgot about that.  I’ll make a couple up.

I don’t know about a zip of all the power cards.  That would be ginormous.

Here’s the symbol key.

I know this is going to be some really deep necromancy, but I find the Fortitude and Will icons to be a little confusing.  I don’t see how a heart would equate mental resilience nor a hand physical… fortitude.  I’d picture the heart more akin to Fortitude given that a solidly beating heart is considered a sign of good health and perhaps a bald bowed head would more be in line for Will.  That’s my take on it, anyway.

Further, has Rimwar done any updates to his Horned card series?  Of all the cards presented in this thread I like his the best, they are stylish and simple.  Wizards keeps crapping out errata after errata and it gets kind of annoying having to constantly modify the power cards to fit or, worse, pay to update the Character Builder to do them that way.

Wow, necromancy that’s not a spammer!

I had some of the same problems with the icons when I made them, but it came down to Fortitude being a kind of strength and will being the desire to live.  In any case, I appreciate the comment.  IF you had posted about this back in 2008 when I was actively developing these, I woulod have taken that advice more to heart and tried to work with it.  As for now, I’m only using these for my own games, so I’m used to what I’ve got.

I don’t know if Rimwar did anything.  As far as I know, there’s only one active Power Card maker other than Wizards now, and that’s at toosigma.  But I haven’t visited over there in awhile so I don’t even know what they’re doing.

(and just for the hell of it, I still like mine the best.  But I like iconography and images over words for applications like these.  It conveys more in less space.  I believe it’s directly related to why and how Magic: the Gathering dominated gaming so soon after its release.)

It’s a shame I discovered this site and others now instead of a couple years ago.  Looking around I’ve found some really nice card templates but now they all seem to have gone the way of all old things.  Knight Otu on En World made a really good one, but it’s gone now as is he most likely.

I wouldn’t be so critical of Wizard’s cards if the builder didn’t do all the math for you.  Maintaining a set of cards between levels and tiers gets to be a pain after a while.  Their cards are also rather plain.  And I can completely understand the use of icons.  I just like it when they have some semblance of what it is they represent.

Civvyalstread - 07 June 2010 02:25 PM

And I can completely understand the use of icons.  I just like it when they have some semblance of what it is they represent.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement about this.  Fortitude is Constitution, a physical statistic.  And it’s generally thought of as being strength, hence a clenched fist.  Indeed, in 4E you can choose to have Strength modify your Fort defense. A heart, the fictional one people think of, is not a physical object.  Will is based on Wisdom, a mental statistic, but that has a fairly large caveat.  Will is often described as being self-discipline and self-control, both of which are more related to strength of character, or heart.  And, incidentally, you can have Charisma modify Will saves now.

Anyway, that’s why I chose the heart.  Again, 2 years ago, I would probably have agreed with you about switching up will (I think I’d keep the Fortitude icon though) for something else.  But since I’m fairly sure no one but me uses my power cards, it’s pretty much moot.

I liked Knight Otu’s, too, but it was Quindia’s version that got me interested in making my own.